Last.fm Task Five - Events
Just so you all know, there is this task and two more to go.
Also, we've started collecting some statistics for people that are interested.
STATISTICS!!!!!
As of 4th January 2011 (when the guide was put together), Kris had:
3,005,534 plays
As of 10th March 2011 Kris had:
3,170,195 plays*
130,205 listeners
3,002 shouts
As of 16th March 2011 Kris had:
3,190,433 plays*
131,352 listeners
3,004 shouts
He GAINED 1,147 new listeners this week :-)
*The number of plays also included plays from previous weeks, that new listeners have brought into Last.fm as they join.
(please note! I'm not a statistician, I just play one on tv :D It's only a rough guide because I'm not taking the measurements at the same time of day each week or anything. I just wanted to give everyone an idea as to how we're doing.
ETA: LaNette has made some relevant comments below & I've updated this post to reflect them a little better.)
ETA: dy77 has just commented that Kris is now at the top of the Male Vocalists tag!
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Onto the task...
EVENTS
This task is an on-going one but we can all start now. As Kris does more gigs, and when he's touring, it'll be important to remember to update the site. It's not a lot of work, but just something to remember to do - we can obviously all remind each other via twitter or on here or on facebook or LJ or wherever else everyone hangs out online...
Last.fm allows us to list events for artists. You can see it by logging into the website (this isn't available from your desktop scrobbler). Go to Kris's page and look for "Events" on the menu on the left-hand-side of the screen:
As you can see, this lists the events that Kris has played at and his upcoming gigs too. If you don’t see an event listed, you can contact dy7764 (@dy7764 on twitter) and she will add the event/gig to the database. Remember to give her all the details you have!
This is a really nifty feature. When you click on an Event, you get to see a lot more detail:
You can see when & where, who else is playing (if anyone is), a link to the venue website, a map…
THINGS TO DO:
Mark that you will be/did attend. (Go back and say you attended any past shows that you haven’t marked before!)
Write a review! (top right-hand corner of the page). This will be stored in your own Journal page on Last.fm, but because it relates to Kris, it will show up on the reviews on Kris’s Event page.
Photos on flickr.com can be linked to with a specially generated tag – so anyone who comes to the page can click on “Photos” at the bottom of the page and see your pics.
But the BEST PART OF THIS FEATURE IS that anyone can browse events in their area and see who is playing!
This means a lot more people will be able to find Kris’s gigs! And they can click on the event & then find Kris’s profile, his albums, his reviews, his pictures, his vids… You get the idea :-)
On to Task Six - Sharing
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Permalink Reply by dy77 on -
Great stats and really gratifying to see results!
Here are some handy links to the previous tasks for those who are working their way through them. If you are just getting started, you are not behind, just jump in, but do be sure you do Task One first.
Introductory Post - What is Last.fm?
Task One - Get Set Up, then "Set and forget" (Why? Scrobbling his music raises Kris' last.fm profile)
Task Two - Start Using Tags (Why? - Tags help other last.fm users discover Kris)
Task Three - Meeting the Neighbours (Why? - Hopefully finding new people who will discover Kris' music by listening to your library full of it)
Task Four - Loved Tracks (Why? People browsing charts of loved tracks will see all the love for Kris and hopefully check him out)
About this task, it is completely selfish of me, but yes, please do this 5th task. Helps build the twitter list! And shows that we are excited to see Kris shows!
One other cool thing to note - I do the event thing already - but if you are a Google calendar user, you can actually add the last.fm events to your calendar, which is kind of neat.
Finally, congratulations to Amanda for being Little Pawn of the month for February! Well deserved for all her hard work on this project.
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Permalink Reply by dy77 on
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One more p.s. - the other day I was tagging From the Ashes w/ Male Vocalists and clicked on the tag to see where Kris was - well now his picture is first! So that tag is working for us! I hope people will keep using the other tags too, particularly acoustic, singer-songwriter and pop, rock and pop-rock. It would be great to see his picture as a top artist in those categories.
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Permalink Reply by pomegranate02 on -
I've just edited the OP to show where Kris is now, thanks for this :-)
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Permalink Reply by pomegranate02 on
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*blushes* Thanks! You & the mods, as well as all the other Pawns have made the task easy & fun. It's been so cool to see the tangible results with Kris doing better on the site :D
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Permalink Reply by Altrus01 on -
Thanks so much for doing this. Glad to see it is having results. Double check your January 4th date up above? Did you really mean 2001?
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Permalink Reply by pomegranate02 on
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:-) I think the punch line here is "and boy am I tired!".
Thanks for picking that up, I haven't been working on this for ten years at all! :D
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Permalink Reply by LaNette on -
I'm curious how they figure the statistics on the last.fm weekly charts. I've been tracking like you have and from March 6 to March 16th Kris' total plays increased by 34,979. However, he didn't enter the top 420 artist chart for the week of March 7-13. For artist #420, he was listened to only 13,088 times so something is up.
I went to Kris' personal chart page - I don't know why they don't give a weekly total - or am I missing it somewhere?? - Anyway, with my trusty calculator I added the numbers and it came to about 9,800 (should have written it down :() for the week of March 7-13, well below the weekly total of 13,089 necessaryto make it onto the weekly chart.
The only thing I can think that explains the discrepancy is that when someone new joins last.fm, their total plays recorded in their iPods or iTune libraries are added to Kris' statistics, but only those plays that occurred in the last week are compiled for his weekly chart statistics. While we still have a way to go to get him on the weekly chart, the good news is more Kris fans are joining last.fm and hopefully, eventually, the weekly statistics will grow.
Also, they do the cut off for the weekly charts on Sunday. I've been trying to remember to connect my iPod to my computer each week by Saturday night so my numbers will count in that week's statistics. I don't know - but it may be possible that if we plug in later, the total tracks may be added to his overall statistics, but if we've gone past the Sunday cut-off, those listens will not be added to his totals for the weekly chart.
Am I way off base in my understanding of how they do the weekly charts? If so, please correct me!
If I'm right, we need to encourage people to scrobble before Sunday to help his weekly totals. I want to see Kris on that weekly chart of top artists!
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Permalink Reply by pomegranate02 on
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You have been looking at this much more diligently than I have - thanks so much for bringing these points up.
I haven't looked anywhere other than Kris's artist page & what you say about new listeners bringing all of their stored plays into the total plays makes a lot of sense.
Are you doing this regularly? If you are, would you share your stats with us, even if it's from this week on?
It seems like, the most relevant statistic that is clear from my work, is the increased number of listeners. I'll change the other information to reflect what you've told us.
This is great, thanks :-)
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Permalink Reply by LaNette on
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I always click on the charts section to look in the weekly charts to see if Kris made the list. As I said above, looks like he will need to have above 13,089 spins in a week to enter the weekly chart.
I looked up Last.fm in Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last.fm
(I know, but it's the only thing we've got...) and evidently the weekly spins are taken from individual listeners instead of one person playing the tracks many times. From wiki:
"Last.fm generates weekly "global" charts of the top 400 artists and tracks listened to by all Last.fm users.[27] To prevent the artificial boosting of an artist or song by deliberately repeated tracks from a single listener, these charts are based on the total number of individual listeners (the reach) and not the number of actual plays."
To me what is significant is that Last.fm is owned by CBS Interactive which owns CBS radio, a major market. They pay attention to the listening habits and that can translate to radio play. From wiki:
"On 11 September 2009, CBS Radio announced that Last.fm programming will be available in four major market FM stations for the first time on their HD Radio multicasts. This includes KCBS-HD2 in Los Angeles, CA; KITS-HD3 in San Francisco, CA; WWFS-HD2 in New York City; and WXRT-HD3 in Chicago, IL. The programming, which consists mostly of music aggregated by Last.fm's user-generated weekly music charts as well as live performances and interviews from the Last.fm studios in New York City debuted on October 5.[15]
So - thank you for all of your work on this project. It is a learning process for all of us. I think you all are doing a great job keeping it before Little Pawns. This project is significant. With the increased number of listeners, surely Kris' weekly totals will go up and with that, perhaps we will see the radio stations giving him more attention. We can only hope :)
Here are the statistics I've got, taken from Kris' artist page. The days I checked were pretty random - but the amazing thing is the steady increase in number of listeners and spins.
February 19, 2011 (Sat) 3,125,380 plays (127,075 listeners)
February 22, 2011 (Tues) 3,135,717 plays (127,622 listeners) + 10,337 plays + 547 listeners
February 27, 2011 (Sun) 3,146,680 plays (128,442 listeners) + 10,963 plays + 820 listeners
March 6, 2011 (Sun) 3,157,926 plays (129,677 listeners) + 11,246 plays + 1,235 listeners
March 16, 2011 (Wed) 3,192,905 plays (131,523 listeners) + 34,979 plays + 1,846 listeners
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Permalink Reply by pomegranate02 on
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Thank you so much for this! I'm sorry I didn't get back earlier, I've had you on my list, but I kept getting distracted & put off getting back to you :(
I'm wondering if we start a stats post in this Last.fm category? We can put the information you've gathered in it - both the numbers & how they work, and update it whenever we have new information, rather than keep repeating it in each post... Do you think this would be a good idea for everyone?
It's so cool that this can now translate into radio plays via the CBS connection. I love Last.fm because you can 'set and forget' & have your plays add to your favourite artist being exposed to more people without any thought at all... The added CBS connection is a real sweetner :-)
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Permalink Reply by LaNette on
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I think it would be a good idea to have a statistics page. I like seeing the progress! It would probably be good to check them on the same day of the week at about the same time so it would be more consistent.
It would also be good to find out how Last.fm arrives at their counts for the weekly charts - for example I traveled last week and just now hooked in my iPod to my computer to scrobble. I'm thinking even though the Kris' plays will count on his total, they are lost to his weekly total for chart purposes because they occurred last week and the deadline was Sunday. If that is true, we need to encourage people to scrobble before Sunday every week. If that isn't true and the totals are not time sensitive, it wouldn't matter when or how often you scrobbled.
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Permalink Reply by pomegranate02 on
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I've emailed the mods to ask them about doing this. I think it would be really cool to have the information there and updated weekly, but I think it would be good to make sure it can be kept up - nothing worse than something let go after a bit of time :(
The mods meet on the weekend on a weekly basis, so hopefully we'll hear next week sometime if they can think of a way for this to happen & be maintained :-)
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