"I WANT AN ADDS DATE!"
Yes. We all do. However, I feel like there has been an epidemic spreading through Kris fans and it is mostly in regards to this adds date. Going to use this thread to clear some things up that people might not be aware of.
"Why wont Jive just give the song an adds date already? Its just a simple date."
To people outside of radio, the adds date is your signal that the record label is pushing the song to radio. The date itself doesnt matter, its the promo behind that date that is impacting radio's decision to add it or not. When a radio station goes to add a song, they are not doing it by logging into FMQB and checking which songs have an adds date that day. They are doing it based on the loads of promo they have been recently receiving. There is a lot of time and money that goes into the radio promo that we never see. You are not suppose to ever see any of that promo, and that is intentional, as labels want it to look like the radio stations came onto the song on their own.
"Without an adds date, AWM will never go anywhere."
Correct. Without an adds date, you have to be a MAJOR staple on radio to do anything (think Gaga and thats about it). The good news is that there is nothing saying that AWM will never get an adds date. Just because it is not happening immediately does not mean that it is not happening. What we do know is that 2 radio shows have already been scheduled in december. These would be of no benefit at all if AWM wasnt going to be pushed.
"So right now, AWM has no adds date and wont do well on radio without one. I'm not going to bother requesting until it gets one."
This is actually the opposite stance that you want to have. Right now is the absolute most crucial time to request and do whatever you can to get the song some radio play. Jive is testing the waters and wanting to see what kind of reaction the song is getting. Stuff like Radio Sophie, a top 20 market, playing it in regular rotation right off the bat is AMAZING and is exactly the kind of thing that Jive would use in its marketing promo to other radio stations.
"I went to request AWM from my local station and the DJ said they didn't have it."
DJ's are personalities and thats what they are hired for. When dealing with major stations, the DJ is almost never the PD (Program Director) and doesnt really have any kind of final say in what is played on the station. If you are using the correct channels and requesting where the station is telling you to request from, this information will get passed along to the PD at some point, but dont expect the DJ to know what AWM's current status is with the station. Get the request in, and be as friendly as possible to whoever you are talking to. Remember that EVERY SINGLE SPIN is HUGE right now, and being able to make the smallest dent is what will get AWM off the ground.
"I hate Jive / 19. LETS START A TWITTER CAMPAIGN!"
No. Spamming Jive / 19 to give AWM an adds date accomplishes nothing and there are many other things you could be doing. If AWM dies out and Kris goes on hiatus for a year not doing anything, then w/e, feel free to hate-spam them. Don't waste your time doing it now when plenty of other things can be done such as show promo, merch / logo design, radio requests, poll spamming, commenting on articles / polls. I understand the frustration that people are feeling, but it is best to use this to drive yourself towards getting more active.
Please feel free to use this thread to ask any other questions you have. Will be glad to help in anyway I can.
"Why wont Jive just give the song an adds date already? Its just a simple date."
To people outside of radio, the adds date is your signal that the record label is pushing the song to radio. The date itself doesnt matter, its the promo behind that date that is impacting radio's decision to add it or not. When a radio station goes to add a song, they are not doing it by logging into FMQB and checking which songs have an adds date that day. They are doing it based on the loads of promo they have been recently receiving. There is a lot of time and money that goes into the radio promo that we never see. You are not suppose to ever see any of that promo, and that is intentional, as labels want it to look like the radio stations came onto the song on their own.
"Without an adds date, AWM will never go anywhere."
Correct. Without an adds date, you have to be a MAJOR staple on radio to do anything (think Gaga and thats about it). The good news is that there is nothing saying that AWM will never get an adds date. Just because it is not happening immediately does not mean that it is not happening. What we do know is that 2 radio shows have already been scheduled in december. These would be of no benefit at all if AWM wasnt going to be pushed.
"So right now, AWM has no adds date and wont do well on radio without one. I'm not going to bother requesting until it gets one."
This is actually the opposite stance that you want to have. Right now is the absolute most crucial time to request and do whatever you can to get the song some radio play. Jive is testing the waters and wanting to see what kind of reaction the song is getting. Stuff like Radio Sophie, a top 20 market, playing it in regular rotation right off the bat is AMAZING and is exactly the kind of thing that Jive would use in its marketing promo to other radio stations.
"I went to request AWM from my local station and the DJ said they didn't have it."
DJ's are personalities and thats what they are hired for. When dealing with major stations, the DJ is almost never the PD (Program Director) and doesnt really have any kind of final say in what is played on the station. If you are using the correct channels and requesting where the station is telling you to request from, this information will get passed along to the PD at some point, but dont expect the DJ to know what AWM's current status is with the station. Get the request in, and be as friendly as possible to whoever you are talking to. Remember that EVERY SINGLE SPIN is HUGE right now, and being able to make the smallest dent is what will get AWM off the ground.
"I hate Jive / 19. LETS START A TWITTER CAMPAIGN!"
No. Spamming Jive / 19 to give AWM an adds date accomplishes nothing and there are many other things you could be doing. If AWM dies out and Kris goes on hiatus for a year not doing anything, then w/e, feel free to hate-spam them. Don't waste your time doing it now when plenty of other things can be done such as show promo, merch / logo design, radio requests, poll spamming, commenting on articles / polls. I understand the frustration that people are feeling, but it is best to use this to drive yourself towards getting more active.
Please feel free to use this thread to ask any other questions you have. Will be glad to help in anyway I can.
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Permalink Reply by littlepunkryo on -
Honestly, I get everyone's frustration, because if Jive doesn't push this one after they crap they pulled with TT, I'm gonna be pissed. But spamming Jive/19's twitters isn't likely to do anything. Besides the fact that those twitters are likely run by interns who don't have any idea what the heck is going on with any of these artists so the best you can hope for is that they tell someone "oh we've been getting a lot of tweets about this," and even if that did happen it wouldn't do anything but make it look like the entirety of Kris's fanbase is a bunch of assholes who spend more time tweeting than they do requesting like they should be doing. They aren't going to spend money because people on twitter tell them to.
Seriously, we don't want the label to start thinking that Kris has difficult fans; all that does is hurt him in the end. Besides, they're used to getting bitched out - just today, for instance, Jive's replies are filled with static both from David Archuleta's fans and Chris Brown's fans. It doesn't do anything but make everyone look like jerks; your energy is better spent requesting or figuring out how to help others request. Jive is going to listen to the numbers, not the fans spamming their replies on twitter. -
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Permalink Reply by Nick on -
One other thing I think I should throw in here. What is said in this post is my opinion and only my opinion. I do not speak for any of the leaders of this group, and am not myself a leader in anyway. This post was made to help inform people, and if you have a difference of opinion, that is fine. You are obviously free to do whatever you want.
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Permalink Reply by Diane/NCshopgirl on -
Thanks Nick. Good thoughts there. I'm pretty clueless about the logistics for adds, so this was very helpful.
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Permalink Reply by je5816 on -
Thanks for the info. I appreciated it. It is frustrating when you (me) keep requesting and it seems to be falling of deaf ears.....but I don't give up that easily....and I don't think others do either!!
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Permalink Reply by Little Pawns on -
I would just like to reiterate that this was a thread for informational purposes. This does not reflect the opinions of everyone on the site. If you have any questions or concerns about what has been said, you are more than welcome to bring them up here. I don't think that we have emphasized enough that this is an open forum where an exchange of ideas is encouraged, but there can be no exchange if people decide they just don't like what they are reading and choose to leave instead of voicing their concerns. Teams will disagree, but the point is to find common ground so we can work together. So please, if you take issue with something that has been said in the original post, please bring it up here. Thank you.
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Permalink Reply by thesecrumbs on
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I appreciate you putting this all together, Nick, but for the record I'd rather people spam jive's twitter than spam radio stations that haven't added the song because there isn't an adds date :P
Honestly, I don't think it's a problem at all to let Jive know on twitter that you've requested but the stations won't play it because of "insert DJ excuse here". I'm not saying it's going to get you anywhere, lol, but I don't think it hurts anything. (Or at least as long as it's not profanity-laden and angry.) Spamming radio stations is where fans get in trouble. -
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Permalink Reply by Nick on
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I have NEVER suggested that people spam radio stations with requests. Have always been pretty firm about establishing contact and making your request, but never spamming them after that. Feel free to follow up in a week to keep reminding the station that you are still requesting the song.
Spamming only works with radio station polls, and only where it is allowed.
If you or anyone else is sure that spamming Jive is the best use of your time, then by all means, go for it. Like it has been mentioned by a few people in this thread, there are plenty of Little Pawns members who are very new to this whole thing and are looking for some help. This thread was meant for them. -
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Permalink Reply by thesecrumbs on
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Oh, I'm really sorry. I didn't mean to suggest that you ever suggested spamming radio stations. I was kind of trying to make the point of why I think tweeting jive is not a big deal in the scheme of things. That there are worse things fans could do, lol. And also to tie in to why the adds date is that important. I apologize if it came off wrong.
Also, I never suggested spamming Jive was the best use of anyone's time? But anyway, I'll stay out of this thread :P -
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Permalink Reply by Nick on
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thesecrumbs said:Oh, I'm really sorry. I didn't mean to suggest that you ever suggested spamming radio stations. I was kind of trying to make the point of why I think tweeting jive is not a big deal in the scheme of things. That there are worse things fans could do, lol. And also to tie in to why the adds date is that important. I apologize if it came off wrong.
Lol its okay, you dont have to be sorry. I dont take offense to anything that easily.
I could not be happier that you are expressing your opinion here the way that you are. -
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Permalink Reply by thesecrumbs on
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Good to know, lol. I'm working on my "tact on the internet". (It's not going that great)
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Permalink Reply by Sheri on
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Hey Nick, can you clarify something for me?
I've been talking to a station program director (cultivating a relationship, but only in radio-land, not in real life), and he told me that every monitored station has a copy of AWM. He said that if people are being told a station doesn't have it, it's because it's an unmonitored station.
Question 1 - is that true? (I have no reason to doubt this guy, but really, I don't know him, and he could be blowing enough smoke for his own Smoke and Mirrors tour.)
Question 2 - if the monitored stations have the song, then requesting it (no more than once a day, politely, with a follow up thanks if you hear it) is definitely something we can do, regardless of any add date, right?
Question 3 - if the station is unmonitored (in which case, we're getting more people to hear the song, but it doesn't count on the reports, right?), can we gift them a copy of the song? Or is that silly or ridiculous in any way? I suppose it's better to have contact with the PD and offer to gift them the song, and get their iTunes email account and all that.
Thanks. I appreciate all the info you're sharing. -
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Permalink Reply by Nick on
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Sheri said:Hey Nick, can you clarify something for me?
I've been talking to a station program director (cultivating a relationship, but only in radio-land, not in real life), and he told me that every monitored station has a copy of AWM. He said that if people are being told a station doesn't have it, it's because it's an unmonitored station.
Question 1 - is that true? (I have no reason to doubt this guy, but really, I don't know him, and he could be blowing enough smoke for his own Smoke and Mirrors tour.)
Question 2 - if the monitored stations have the song, then requesting it (no more than once a day, politely, with a follow up thanks if you hear it) is definitely something we can do, regardless of any add date, right?
Question 3 - if the station is unmonitored (in which case, we're getting more people to hear the song, but it doesn't count on the reports, right?), can we gift them a copy of the song? Or is that silly or ridiculous in any way? I suppose it's better to have contact with the PD and offer to gift them the song, and get their iTunes email account and all that.
Thanks. I appreciate all the info you're sharing.
Thats awesome that you have made contact with a PD! Great job!
1) If its an HAC station, yes, that is most likely true. If you are hearing from a monitored HAC station that they do not have AWM, they are either lying to you or they dont know. Take this into consideration and always stay pleasant. Calling the person on their lie accomplishes nothing. Theyll hang up and think of you as "difficult". Suggest to them that they should really look into the song and that you hope you can hear it from them soon.
2) Yes, if they have the song, but have not added it, you can request. Its unlikely that they will play it right away, but they will take these requests into consideration when choosing what to play for future days. If you get a hold of them and they say "sorry, cant play it for xxxxx reason", just thank them for their time and check back again in a few days or the following week.
3) Don't think itd be necessary to gift them the song. If you are talking to them via e-mail / text, include a youtube link so that they can hear it if they havent already.
Hopefully this helps, and thanks again for what you are doing! :) -
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